{"id":15098,"date":"2020-12-12T21:12:23","date_gmt":"2020-12-12T21:12:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/test.otpor.media\/index.php\/2020\/12\/12\/https-otpor-media-tehnicka-analiza-glasa-amerike-dokazala-tegeltijin-sporni-razgovor-se-dogodio\/"},"modified":"2024-07-06T13:05:41","modified_gmt":"2024-07-06T13:05:41","slug":"https-otpor-media-tehnicka-analiza-glasa-amerike-dokazala-tegeltijin-sporni-razgovor-se-dogodio","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/otpor.media\/?p=15098","title":{"rendered":"Tehni\u010dka analiza Glasa Amerike dokazala: Tegeltijin sporni razgovor se dogodio"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tehni\u010dku analizu uradio je in\u017eenjer zvuka Glasa Amerike u Washingtonu. Rezultati ukazuju da se telefonski razgovor \u010dije postojanje Tegeltija negira ipak dogodio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sadr\u017eaji Glasa Amerike su besplatni za republikaciju u drugim medijima ali isklju\u010divo uz po\u0161tivanje dva uvjeta: navo\u0111enje izvora i URL link na originalan sadr\u017eaj. Preno\u0161enje sadr\u017eaja bez ispunjenja ova dva uvjeta Glas Amerike smatra neovla\u0161tenom reprodukcijom i mo\u017ee pokrenuti pravnu za\u0161titu svog materijala.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Taktiku \u0107ete vi prepustiti meni&#8221;, re\u010denica je koju izgovara predsjednik Visokog sudskog i tu\u017eiteljskog vije\u0107a Milan Tegeltija u snimku koji \u0107e dovesti do njegove ostavke.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">U razgovoru iz nepoznatog izvora, koji je objavio portal Istraga, \u010duje se kako Tegeltija navodno s tada\u0161njom \u010dlanicom VSTV-a Milijanom Buhom razvija strategiju za zapo\u0161ljavanje njene sestre Sanje \u010cagar na poziciju sutkinje u Banja Luci.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Ako Sanja konkurira u Banja Luci svi \u0107e znati da je ona tvoja sestra. A ti \u010dlanica savjeta. I to \u0107e sasvim sigurno oti\u0107i u medije. Tra\u017eiti \u0107e da da\u0161 ostavku.&#8221;, predvi\u0111a razvoj situacije Tegeltija nude\u0107i i rje\u0161enje: &#8220;Ako se otvori pozicija u Gradi\u0161ci, Prijedoru, \u2026 \u0161to je ko\u0161ta da bude tamo godinu dana pa da je kasnije prebacimo ovamo?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"youtube-embed\" data-video_id=\"3MA5o8jKguU\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Milan Tegeltija: Potkivanje 2\" width=\"696\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/3MA5o8jKguU?feature=oembed&#038;enablejsapi=1&#038;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-color\">Iznena\u0111enje, opravdanja, poricanje<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nakon izbijanja nove afere predsjednika VSTV-a u prvim reakcijama on je i sam potvrdio da je razgovarao s Milijanom Buhom o zapo\u0161ljavanju njene sestre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tegeltija je za BIRN BiH izjavio da je razgovor s Miljanom Buhom, kojoj je mandat u Vije\u0107u istekao u listopadu 2020. godine, vo\u0111en u druga\u010dijem kontekstu od onoga kako je to objavio portal Istraga.ba i da on u razgovoru ne vidi ni\u0161ta sporno.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Osnovni argumenti Tegeltije i Buhe u to vrijeme bili su da se zapo\u0161ljavanje nije dogodio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tek par dana nakon toga, nakon \u0161to je afera poprimila ve\u0107e medijske razmjere, Tegeltija po\u010dinje da negira da se sporni razgovor uop\u0107e dogodio te tvrdi da su ga &#8220;montirale obavje\u0161tajne i paraobavje\u0161tajne slu\u017ebe&#8221; radi njegove diskreditacije.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jedan od argumenata koji se Tegeltija trudi da \u0161to vi\u0161e puta ponovi je da &#8220;ako je snimak nezakonit, tj. nije mogu\u0107e utvrditi autora, onda njegovu vjerodostojnost mogu potvrditi samo sudionici u razgovoru.&#8221;, te da je razgovor &#8220;montiran&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Najvi\u0161i pravosudni du\u017enosnik BiH zaboravio je jo\u0161 jedan, najpouzdaniji na\u010din &#8211; tehni\u010dku analizu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Glas Amerike je odlu\u010dio da osigurati vrhunski software i anga\u017eira vrhunske in\u017eenjere zvuka u centrali Washingtonu, kako bi provjerio tehni\u010dku stranu snimka.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-color\">Tijek analize<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Analizom objavljenog snimka utvr\u0111eno je sedam rezova, tj. da je snimak trajanja 3 minute sastavljen od 8 dijelova trajanja od 6 sekundi do minut i 30 sekundi. Analiza je utvrdila i to\u010dna mjesta tzv. reza.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Utvr\u0111en je i \u0161um koji ukazuje da je objavljeni snimak snimljen tako \u0161to je zvuk reproduktivan iz kompjutera a snimljen na odvojenom ure\u0111aju.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Glas Amerike, nakon ovih nalaza, kontaktirao je Avdu Avdi\u0107a, urednika portala Istraga, koji je snimak objavio. Avdi\u0107 je potvrdio da je snimak skra\u0107en &#8220;zbog predugih nerazumljivih dijelova&#8221; sugovornice s druge strane telefonske linije.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On je potvrdio i snimanje s kompjutera obrazla\u017eu\u0107i to \u017eeljom da za\u0161titi izvor tako \u0161to \u0107e, prekidom digitalnog niza, onemogu\u0107iti dalji prenos tzv. metapodataka u fajlu razgovora.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-color\">\u0160to su metapodaci?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Metapodaci su pozadinske informacije koje bilje\u017ei svaki digitalno snimljen fajl. Pomo\u0107u analize metapodataka mo\u017ee se utvrditi kada je snimak napravljen, tip ure\u0111aja, a \u010desto i geolokacija snimanja te podaci o identitetu vlasnika ure\u0111aja.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Avdo Avdi\u0107 pristao je da, u svrhu druge analize, Glasu Amerike ustupi originalni snimak trajanja 4 minute i 16 sekundi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">U drugoj analizi, analiziran je ambijentalni ton, svi zvukovi u prostoriji snimanja, udaljenost od ure\u0111aja koji je snimao razgovor te frekvencije zvukova na snimku \u0161to je otkrilo vi\u0161e detalja o samom snimku i okolnostima njegovog nastanka.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Autor analize je in\u017eenjer zvuka Thomas Leahy na preporuku \u0161efa odjela za istra\u017eiva\u010dko novinarstvo Glasa Amerike Tom Detzela.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Za analizu su kori\u0161teni softwarei Avid Pro Tools i iZotope RX 8 Advanced.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1080\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/otpor.media\/?attachment_id=1080\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/otpor.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/tp1121.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"860,460\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"tp1121\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/otpor.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/tp1121.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/otpor.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/12\/talgetijasnimka-121220-3.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1080\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-color\">Da li se razgovor dogodio? &#8211; Da<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Rezultati analiza i obja\u0161njenja in\u017eenjera ukazuju na to da se sporni razgovor zaista dogodio:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Razgovor je snimljen u prostoriji pribli\u017ene veli\u010dine 4&#215;4 metra koja je spojena s drugom prostorijom ili hodnikom.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Za vrijeme snimanja i Tegeltija i ure\u0111aj\/osoba koja snima su stati\u010dni, a ure\u0111aj se nalazi na udaljenosti izme\u0111u 1,5 i 3 metra od izvora zvuka (Tegeltije).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Prostorija u kojoj je razgovor snimljen ima ve\u0107u povr\u0161inu, vjerojatno staklenu od koju se zvuk sve vrijeme odbija.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Na po\u010detku razgovora u prostoriji se \u010duje emisija vijesti, u kojoj se na jednom mjestu spominje predsjednik Srbije Aleksandar Vu\u010di\u0107.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Du\u017ei snimak se u odnosu na objavljeni razlikuje u du\u017eini nerazumljivih odgovora s druge strane telefonske linije.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Parametri ambijentalnog zvuka i frekvencija pokazuju da su svi dijelovi razgovora snimljeni pod istim okolnostima, na istom mjestu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-color\">Da li je snimak montiran? &#8211; Postoji mogu\u0107nost<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Po\u010detak i kraj snimka pokazuju da je on dio du\u017eeg razgovora.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Uo\u010dene digitalne anomalije (glitch) na najmanje jednom mjestu ukazuju na to da postoji mogu\u0107nost da je snimak sastavljen od najvjerojatnije dva, a mogu\u0107e je i tri dijela, istog ali du\u017eeg razgovora.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">-Software je na jednom mjestu detektirao zamaskiran rez.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-color\">Tegeltija: Kriv je &#8220;deep fake&#8221;<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">U cilju razja\u0161njavanja detalja analize Glas Amerike kontaktirao je Milana Tegeltiju. On nije odgovorio na poziv ali se javio Viber porukom, onemogu\u0107iv\u0161i bilo kakva pitanja.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/otpor.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/12\/talgetijasnimka-121220-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1079\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">U du\u017eoj poruci Tegeltija tvrdi da &#8220;samo on zna istinu&#8221;. Ve\u0107ina poruke posve\u0107ena je njegovom tuma\u010denju &#8220;deep fake&#8221; tehnika za koje tvrdi da ih je &#8220;dovoljno demonstrirao&#8221; na svom Twitter nalogu. Njegov glavni argument za to je &#8220;da se samo mo\u017ee zamisliti \u0161to mogu [uraditi] obavje\u0161tajne slu\u017ebe s opremom kojom raspola\u017eu&#8221;. On tvrdi da su &#8220;vode\u0107i svjetski stru\u010dnjaci&#8221; ne navode\u0107i njihova imena, &#8220;jasno rekli da je skoro pa nemogu\u0107e&#8221; otkriti deep fake redove.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nakon provjere, Glas Amerike utvrdio je da ove njegove tvrdnje ne odgovaraju istini. Prema tvrdnjama in\u017eenjera zvuka &#8220;deep fake&#8221; je stru\u010dnjacima i pomo\u0107u analize mogu\u0107e otkriti, \u010desto i relativno lako. Iako takvi radovi mogu zavarati neobu\u010dene pojedince koji se oslanjaju isklju\u010divo na sluh ili vid, software koje koriste stru\u010dnjaci, a koji pri analizi prikazuju egzaktne grafikone i krivulje zvuka, nije mogu\u0107e lako prevariti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">U slu\u010daju analiziranog snimka, osnovni argument stru\u010dnjaka da nije u pitanju deep fake temelji se na izmjerenim parametrima tona sugovornice s druge strane telefonske linije.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Ne vidim na\u010din da deep fake mo\u017ee napraviti tako ne\u0161to&#8221;, rekao je in\u017eenjer zvuka Glasa Amerike Thomas Leahy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dodatni argumenti koji ne idu u prilog Tegeltijinoj &#8220;deep fake&#8221; teoriji zavjere su karakteristike njegovog na\u010dina govora, \u010desto nerazumljivog i ispresijecanog te karakteristike jezika u BiH koji podrazumijevaju akcentiranje rije\u010di i pade\u017ee, \u0161to deep fake tehnologije, za sada, te\u0161ko mogu razumjeti i reproducirati.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-color\">\u0160ta je &#8220;deep fake&#8221;?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Deep fake&#8221; su sinteti\u010dki stvoreni sadr\u017eaji. U njima se pomo\u0107u vje\u0161ta\u010dke inteligencije i tehnike dubokog u\u010denja (deep learning) softwarei osposobljavaju da, na primjer, mijenjaju lica snimljenim osobama proizvode\u0107i sadr\u017eaje koji nisu stvarni i mogu zavarati \u010dulo vida ili sluha konzumenata tog sadr\u017eaja.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-color\">Razlika izme\u0111u monta\u017ee i fabrikovanja<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Monta\u017ea je legitiman proces u radu medija i odnosi se na rezanje du\u017eeg snimka te sastavljanjem tih dijelova proizvodnju nove, kra\u0107e i tehni\u010dki ispravnije verzije.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fabrikovanje je proizvodnja novog sadr\u017eaja uz pomo\u0107 monta\u017ee ali koji takvom zloupotrebom dobiva druga\u010diji, neistinit kontekst.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-color\">Epilog<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tehni\u010dka analiza Glasa Amerike ukazuje na to da se, sporni, objavljeni razgovor zaista dogodio, da je kra\u0107en, te da sastavljen od dijelova (dva ili tri) du\u017eeg razgovora, za sada, nepoznatih pojedinosti i trajanja.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/ba.voanews.com\/a\/bih-milan-tegeltija-snimak-analiza-glas-amerike\/5695662.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Ba.voanews.com<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tehni\u010dku analizu uradio je in\u017eenjer zvuka Glasa Amerike u Washingtonu. Rezultati ukazuju da se telefonski razgovor \u010dije postojanje Tegeltija negira ipak dogodio. Sadr\u017eaji Glasa Amerike su besplatni za republikaciju u drugim medijima ali isklju\u010divo uz po\u0161tivanje dva uvjeta: navo\u0111enje izvora i URL link na originalan sadr\u017eaj. 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